Taste of Spring 
Being a balmy 55F yesterday, I got the bicycle out and did a standard route of about 8.5 miles. I got a little wet due to the melting snow but it was worth it. The cold and well below normal temperatures locally (-4 for Jan and so far -2 for Feb; if they were 4F above, some people would use that biased sample as proof of global warming, like they do nowadays when a heatwave strikes a region in JULY) it's been harder to get out and run and no way am I biking in 22F weather. I do go to the gym two days and week and spend some time running on the treadmill and then do some weightlifting too. I am eyeing a 5K in March which is six weeks earlier than the 5K I wanted to run in the first weekend of May. However, I haven't done 5K yet in any of my runs and my best was 2.5m (4.17km) on the treadmill. If I keep on and can plan on March being warmer than Feb., I may be able to really tune myself up during the first two weeks of March. For now, I'll keep doing what I am doing and that might get me ready for that 5K around St. Paddy's Day.

torsten 
The cold and well below normal temperatures locally (-4 for Jan and so far -2 for Feb; if they were 4F above, some people would use that biased sample as proof of global warming, like they do nowadays when a heatwave strikes a region in JULY)

This misapprehension is just tired now

http://search.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/n ... statistics

Administrator (Brian) 
It's been a while since I've studied statistics and probably. Tell me, do today's textbooks cover how certain fringe groups with radical agendas use common events like hurricanes, heat waves, blizzards, and droughts to convince politicians and the masses that these events today are different than the heat waves and droughts of yesteryear in that the only explanation nowadays for all weather phenomena is global warm.., er, climate change?

torsten 
Tell me, do today's textbooks cover how certain fringe groups with radical agendas

Who? NOAA? NASA?

torsten 
More 'fringe' groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ky ... ignatories

Administrator (Brian) 
Countries aren't fringe groups but many are governed by politicians who are swayed by scare tactics of fringe groups and see that as a means to get some personal gain out of it or, in some cases, to undermine the underpinnings of society to advance some radical agenda, again usually to gain something - usually money or power. In some cases, the politicians themselves are the chicken littles who cry the sky is falling and their vacuous minions follow in lock step. The sky's been falling since man's origins, the content of messages themselves may be different, but the tactics are always the same.

Ironic how someone can see the WTC collapse, hear Dubya claim that terrorism is a big threat to our society, and yet not believe it. However, usually those are the same people see a Cat 3 hurricane hit a big city, and somehow are convinced that the only reason it happened was AGW. More Kool-Aid anyone?

There was a 92 mph wind gust recorded near Pittsburgh yesterday and I know "climate change" caused it. Wind gusts of that magnitude are so rare in Pgh that it can't be anything else. Excuse me while I get some more Kool-Aid.

torsten 
Countries aren't fringe groups but many are governed by politicians who are swayed by scare tactics of fringe groups

What fringe groups, where

I don't particularly like nebulous references to mystery groups who are allegedly trying to ruin/control society without any credible evidence or even indication of who they are. Even Stormfront screeds against "the Zionist Occupation Government" are more specific than this.

And there's a reason I don't like vague conspiracy theories targeted against convenient scapegoats: they're a very dangerous way of thinking.

to undermine the underpinnings of society to advance some radical agenda

Details

Ironic how someone can see the WTC collapse, hear Dubya claim that terrorism is a big threat to our society

According to the CDCP, the odds that someone will die in an act of terrorism lag far behind the odds that the same person will be struck dead by lightning, perhaps owing to Thor and Indra's disappointment in modern society

You could say terrorism doesn't keep me awake at night. That's what they want after all. Things have been going nothing less than swimmingly for Osama bin Laden these past few years. The moral of the story is this: "don't feed the trolls"

Administrator (Brian) 
Yes, true, the odds of dying of terrorism are very very very low. But, boy, did 09/11 really make us jump. I remember that day contending with people that in the whole scheme of things, a few buildings collapsing and few thousand people dying, while tragic, isn't really that significant when you consider the number of people in the world. Too long to explain fully here and I don't want to seem insensitive but I think you can see what I mean.

Fringe groups - Moveon.org, organizers of that Kos convention, and basically any group who supports a far-left wing agenda. Not traditional liberal agendas, mind you, but the radical ones who think the US is the problem, that taxing carbon is a good idea, blame global warming on everything from teen depression to airplane crashes, and any group or cause funded by George Soros (whom I think is the guy who tried to crash the markets in mid-Sept.). Also, I think dimwits like Pelosi and Reid get their speeches written specifically by elements of the lunatic fringe as well. Ecoterrorists like ELF fall in this category too. And, just about every liberal college campus group would fit here too.

Yes, I know conservatives have their own fringe groups too.

Undermine the underpinnings - the current stimulus bill and any action that gives money to people who can least manage it properly is a current example. The wars on carbon and capitalism are examples too. And, whatever past actions that have led to the current mess in the educational system, which is comprised overwhelmingly of liberals. A whole lot of people f*cked up royally over the years on that one - educators, politicians, and parents can all take blame.

torsten 
Moveon.org, organizers of that Kos convention, and basically any group who supports a far-left wing agenda.

So these got almost every country but the US to sign the Kyoto Protocol?

Also moveon.org et al would qualify (maybe) as center-right in a number of countries ... you'd hard-pressed to call them far left-wing

Not traditional liberal agendas, mind you, but the radical ones who think the US is the problem, that taxing carbon is a good idea, blame global warming on everything from teen depression to airplane crashes

These sound like strawmen to me

and any group or cause funded by George Soros (whom I think is the guy who tried to crash the markets in mid-Sept.)

... what?

Also, I think dimwits like Pelosi and Reid get their speeches written specifically by elements of the lunatic fringe as well.

Who?

Also Nancy Pelosi is barely left-wing

Ecoterrorists like ELF fall in this category too. And, just about every liberal college campus group would fit here too.

Neither of these has any substantial influence (for different reasons)

Undermine the underpinnings - the current stimulus bill and any action that gives money to people who can least manage it properly is a current example.

Who?

Even if it is the case we're giving money to poor stewards of it, that's no more nefarious than misguided attempts at trying to give the poor apartments through rent control.

The wars on carbon and capitalism are examples too.

I don't see a war against capitalism.

And, whatever past actions that have led to the current mess in the educational system, which is comprised overwhelmingly of liberals.

That's incidental. I'll bet the financial sector consists mainly of Republicans.

Administrator (Brian) 
Also moveon.org et al would qualify (maybe) as center-right in a number of countries ... you'd hard-pressed to call them far left-wing


If that's true then things are worse than I thought. If our liberal politicians want to follow other countries' leads, look out. Time for me to rethink my stance on having a firearm in the house and perhaps take some survival training.

Thanks for the tip.

Moveon.org, organizers of that Kos convention, and basically any group who supports a far-left wing agenda.

So these got almost every country but the US to sign the Kyoto Protocol?


Not the US-based ones, obviously, but I did say "any group who supports a far-left wing agenda" and since far-left is relative, the far-left factions in other nations must be really out there if you say that moveon.org would be close to center in some of them. Again, this is scary, but not surprising in some ways.

I don't see a war against capitalism.

Open your eyes. The media and the Democrats are both blaming the economic problem on capitalism and this stimulus is a subverted attempt to socialize as much as possible. War has been declared on some of the most capitalistic companies out there - Wal-Mart, Exxon, McDonald's, and years ago it was on GM, Bethlehem Steel (all the American steel companies), Standard Oil. Any company who is very profitable ("makes too much") is always targeted by the left-wing factions and tagged as being greedy and mean and rotten.

torsten 
If that's true then things are worse than I thought. If our liberal politicians want to follow other countries' leads, look out. Time for me to rethink my stance on having a firearm in the house and perhaps take some survival training.

Thanks for the tip.


That just looks nutty. And, look, I live a stone's throw away from Soviet Canuckistan after all.

Not the US-based ones, obviously, but I did say "any group who supports a far-left wing agenda" and since far-left is relative, the far-left factions in other nations must be really out there if you say that moveon.org would be close to center in some of them. Again, this is scary, but not surprising in some ways.

I'm not talking about quote "far-left factions in other countries". I'm saying that moveon.org is right of a mainstream politician like Göran Persson.

Besides we aren't the most right-wing country in the world. That would probably be Burma or something.

Open your eyes.

Well I'm a business/econ major but I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention.

This whole idea of a quote war on capitalism is nearly as absurd as the idea of the war on Christmas, a holiday which I should point out was set in December 25 to wage war on Saturnalia, etc.

The media and the Democrats are both blaming the economic problem on capitalism and this stimulus is a subverted attempt to socialize as much as possible. War has been declared on some of the most capitalistic companies out there - Wal-Mart, Exxon, McDonald's, and years ago it was on GM, Bethlehem Steel (all the American steel companies), Standard Oil.

Explain please

Also, breaking up certain monopolies was beneficial. If AT&T were left intact, we'd still be using acoustic coupler modems. Breaking up Micro$oft would have been a good idea, too.

Administrator (Brian) 
I agree, breaking up monopolies is usually beneficial and the AT&T breakup was needed as was the breakup of Standard Oil.

Google becoming a monopoly would scare me. One company controlling all web searches - yikes!

torsten 
Baidu and Yahoo are still here

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