Here's our local 15-day forecast from Accuweather.com:
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Isn't it supposed to get warmer as we get closer to April? The average high/low by late March is 53/32. Looks like another bitter cold spring is on the way. Maybe we'll get lucky and the forecast will be wrong - hopefully on the plus side of that deplorable forecast.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/giste ... eighbors=1
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That graphic explains the coming Ice Age Scare of the 60's and 70's too.
That graphic explains the coming Ice Age Scare of the 60's and 70's too.
The lowest point on the graph is in the 1940's, so that makes no sense.
Furthermore, the trend on the graph is upward, so that disagrees with your myopic analysis of local weather patterns.
In any case, I think I've explained before that the ice age scare was never, ever widely accepted by mainstream science, unlike AGW.
The lowest point on the graph is in the 1940's, so that makes no sense.
Hey, don't tell me. It wasn't me who sounded the Ice Age alarm. The graph shows a clear cooling trend from the late 40's to around 1980. That's what sounded the alarm. Now it's getting warmer and another alarm has gone off.
Furthermore, the trend on the graph is upward, so that disagrees with your myopic analysis of local weather patterns.
It's been 'too cold' here for as long as I can remember . I never had the chance to move someplace warmer.
In any case, I think I've explained before that the ice age scare was never, ever widely accepted by mainstream science, unlike AGW.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Hey, don't tell me. It wasn't me who sounded the Ice Age alarm.
The Ice Age alarm was 'sounded' by a nutty Newsweek article that no one with an education took seriously. I mean there were conjectures here and there, but nothing like the amount of study devoted to global warming today.
The graph shows a clear cooling trend from the late 40's to around 1980. That's what sounded the alarm.
In 1940, the average temperature in the Allentown area was ~8.75 degrees (in good units) for the whole year. Well, Allentown is only one city, but never mind that for now. In 1980, it was ~11.75 for the whole year. I have no idea what you're trying to say. The trend for the whole graph is a marked increase. That is what trends are about after all.
Now it's getting warmer and another alarm has gone off.
False. Comparison is grossly inaccurate.
It's been 'too cold' here for as long as I can remember . I never had the chance to move someplace warmer.
I feel that summer in the Allentown-Bethlehem area has become increasingly miserable. But the complaints of a pale Northern European youth in hot weather are not what I consider scientific data. I consider impartially collected temperatures to be scientific data.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
We're in the shitter and you talk about 'hindsight'...
The trend for the whole graph is a marked increase. That is what trends are about after all.
Yes, an increase for a specific unit of time and, again, past performance is not indicative of future results. There are trends within treads after all.
We're in the shitter and you talk about 'hindsight'...
You're not the first person to shout that it's end of the world and you won't be the last either. People have been saying "we're in the shitter" for thousands of years.
Yes, an increase for a specific unit of time and, again, past performance is not indicative of future results. There are trends within treads after all.
So, with that said, why do you trot out local weather patterns that run for a week or two every time winter draws to an end? You're contradicting yourself now.
You're not the first person to shout that it's end of the world and you won't be the last either. People have been saying "we're in the shitter" for thousands of years.
Very many qualified, rational people agree with me. Most of the people who have said we're in the shitter in past years were religious nuts going on their whacked-out interpretation of their text. There is a vast difference between science and superstition.
You're contradicting yourself now.
Perhaps; By June or July we'll probably really be heating up. Although, summer does come later than it used to and May has just been abysmal of late.
Very many qualified, rational people agree with me.
There are a lot of qualified people who don't agree with the consensus.
Most of the people who have said we're in the shitter in past years were religious nuts going on their whacked-out interpretation of their text. There is a vast difference between science and superstition.
And this time it's different? Well I'll be! This time it's always different! Yes! Next crisis it will be the same "this time it's different".
Funny how that logic is used to warn about AGW but when people use that same argument to defend a new approach to fight terrorism, they are derided. But maybe they are right in saying fighting terrorism creates more terrorists. Maybe fighting AGW creates more AGW; just look at how many miles Al Gore's private jet has logged lately. Maybe the time and energy is better spent elsewhere if it's already past the point of no return.
The end is always near; haven't you caught on yet? Many people think "this time it's real" when faced with a crisis. Sometimes it's a nutjob on the street, sometimes is a 'rational' person but the crisis marketers always go after the young and usually anyone else vulnerable - the poor, the elderly, the down and out, and those who are constantly looking for problems where problems don't exist (many of the latter grow up to be politicians and lawyers). Buy into their crisis and save the world, they say, never mind our real motives because they are of no concern to you.
AIDs was supposed to kill us all, killer bees, coming Ice Age, SARS, swine flu, and so on. Every few years it's a new malady that we caused or can't stop and the press is getting this from someone who's rational and qualified, not the nutjob on the street.
There are a lot of qualified people who don't agree with the consensus.
Inhofe assumes that, by piling up enough horse manure, everyone will believe that there's a pony in it somewhere. His list is filler, people whose expertise is irrelevant to climate science, and not a few who have ties to the oil industry.
It so overflows with nonsense and filling that I can't possibly tackle all of it within whatever the character limit for comments is here. But a quick web search on 'Inhofe 400' will easily turn up the countless faults with this report. In fact, some of the people on that list are not even climate skeptics. George Waldenberger demanded that he be removed from the list because his statements were taken grossly out of context, but he's still there.
It's outrageous. To paraphrase the senator himself, "the Inhofe 400 is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people". In my opinion, this incredibly dishonest Bible-beater has no place in any public office anywhere, much less the US Senate.
I sometimes kid about how awesome it would be to return to the Dark Ages, but I never really mean it. Inhofe is for real.
Funny how that logic is used to warn about AGW but when people use that same argument to defend a new approach to fight terrorism, they are derided. But maybe they are right in saying fighting terrorism creates more terrorists.
Military spending is almost always based on hysterical worst-case scenarios and usually rubber-stamped. The building of the nuclear stockpile, which is now so large that it could end all life on Earth several times, has never met with as much stiff formal opposition as the issue of global warming. Poor comparison.
Maybe fighting AGW creates more AGW; just look at how many miles Al Gore's private jet has logged lately.
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The end is always near; haven't you caught on yet?
I feel the same way when I point out how to analyze really really basic statistics here.
Anyone who brings up the Inhofe 400 list as serious evidence doesn't need to tell me about taking things with a grain of salt.
Buy into their crisis and save the world, they say, never mind our real motives because they are of no concern to you.
Politicians are not usually scientists.
Scientists are not usually politicians.
I have no idea why you're even bringing this up.
AIDs was supposed to kill us all, killer bees, coming Ice Age, SARS, swine flu, and so on. Every few years it's a new malady that we caused or can't stop and the press is getting this from someone who's rational and qualified, not the nutjob on the street.
Journalists and politicians are qualified at what they do, but that's completely irrelevant in this case. I want scientific research, not straw men.
Inhofe assumes that, by piling up enough horse manure, everyone will believe that there's a pony in it somewhere.
Haha, yeah, I saw that coming. Maybe he's trying to follow Al's lead. Of course, if the list supported the agenda, then it would be treated as rock-hard undeniable proof.
This is an awful lot for just a gripe about some miserable March weather. We slip into a cold spell this weekend and then by Tues. or Wed. we should be close to normal again. Maybe it does get warmer as March goes on, after all!
The building of the nuclear stockpile, which is now so large that it could end all life on Earth several times, has never met with as much stiff formal opposition as the issue of global warming.
It's been that large for decades. Where have you been? I don't know if the AGW skeptics are stronger than the anti-nuke crowd or not but I remember a lot of anti-nuke, "we are all going to blow ourselves up" stuff in the 80's. That theme is resonant in many 80's songs and pretty much put U2 on the map.
I'm done with this one. Don't worry I'll post another weather thread soon enough.
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